The extensive campground at Copake Falls has sites to accommodate campers seeking a more rustic experience, as well as those seeking a more "home like" experience. Hordes of people breaking every single rule. This review is the subjective opinion of a Tripadvisor member and not of Tripadvisor LLC. Rocky, nice little hike to the falls. The NY side is an easy walk to the falls with a wide path - no crazy hills or rocky scrambles, just scenic woodsy views. See the Bear Mountain State Park homepage for details. A series of small cascades along Bash Bish Brook. Most New York State Parks charge a vehicle use fee to enter the facility. (413) 528-0330. I dont remember how wheelchair friendly the trail was, whether it was paved or rocky. As it turned out, Bash Bish has two parking lots, one in Massachusetts and one in New York, separated by about a mile. Each one has been catalogued by the Friends of Taconic State Park's Historic Preservation Committee. It is easy to understand why. Copake Falls offers swimming opportunities at a designated swimming area with a dock in Ore Pit Pond and at the adjacent kiddie pool. Bring a water bottle and work gloves. Others walk a short ways down the brook and swim in the pools below. Dont listen to posts that say otherwise. According to Bash Bish Falls State Park in Mt. Bash Bish Falls is the highest waterfall in Massachusetts and a popular scenic destination. 247 State Route 344. I have a 3 year old and he often walks the shorter hikes or does a combo of walking and on my back. Bring a rake, broom or shovel if you have one! Oh shxt, I'm stuck spinning wheels. Sorta nearby address for your GPS: The Copake Falls Post Office is about two miles from the MA trailhead, and a mile from the NY trailhead. Some were having catered parties, with tables and chairs, giant speakers like a wedding DJ would use, hookahs (and broken glass from hookahs) playing games with oversized dominoes in the stream. Restrooms. Parked at the lot and it was a fairly easy 3/4 mile hike to the falls. The use of handguns are not permitted in any state parks. The day use price is $50 and can accommodate up to 60 people. took maybe 20 mins and it was fairly easy. It is a hike to experience Bash Bish Falls. I am excited! The water was raging and the scenery was beautiful. The trail was covered in ice with a layer of snow on top of it which made it a bit more difficult but it was still manageable and the falls at the end was the perfect payoff. Note that the last bit of the trail is closed off. No trash cans. Taconic State Park is proud to host its 10th annual I Love My Park Day. One of my favorite places to visit plus its a easy hike. From the upper parking area (on the Massachusetts side), the trail is shorter, but goes more steeply down to the falls. OK, awesome beauty in the winter - I snapped my pics and headed back to the car. Thank you, Jocelyn! Boom. On-road parking along Falls Road or Route 344 is not permitted at any time. The onslaught caused park and law enforcement officials on both sides of the New York/Massachusetts border to close down roads leading to the falls and turn people away when parking areas were full. Bash Bish Trailhead & Parking. located in the far southwest corner of Massachusetts, Bash Bish Falls is probably the finest waterfall in the state; while in the general area, drive to other trailheads to hike to Race Brook Falls and Campbell Falls. The state Department of Conservation and Recreation has implemented a parking area closure until further notice at Bash Bish Falls State Park on Falls Road, said DCR spokesperson Olivia K. Dorrance. Visiting Bash Bish Falls is no longer fun. Taconic State Park Manager Christopher Rickard described groups of 30 and 40 people, including family groups of all ages. On-road parking along Falls Road or Route 344 is not permitted at any time. Guide wires keep you from tumbling off the edge of the trail. It was a half mile in & a half mile out but it was very steep. There are 5 miles of snowmobile trails in Taconic State Park. Hope you had a great visit. Turn left! 100% of travelers recommend this experience. Route 7 South joins Route 23 West, and where they diverge, continue on Route 23 West to . There were small patches of mud on the trail but otherwise in very good condition. 5. Slight incline, not bad at all. I don't even know how to describe it. Easy enough for my 2.5 year old to walk the full trail himself! The only negative is they took away the ability to go to the bottom of the falls. Was pleasant and decent conditions, but the waterfall isnt as incredible as expected. Along the trail you can see and hear the stream, stop and enjoy the water and nature. Such a beautiful hike. How long does this hike take from start to finish on the NY Trail head and on the MA Trail head? There were many people at the base of the falls sitting on chosen rock areas enjoying a snack, fishing, napping. From Highway 344 in Copake Falls, Falls Road veers off, leading to the parks two parking areas. No target practice. Well marked throughout and easy to follow paths. This number is based on the percentage of all Tripadvisor reviews for this product that have a bubble rating of 4 or higher. Difficult ability, about 0.6 miles round-trip. You used to be able to take the stairs down to the base of the falls and enjoy the beauty from that level. Both trails to the falls are not wheelchair accessible. Bash Bish Falls is a Massachusetts park maintained by the state Department of Conservation and Recreation. Instead, my lifeless phone just stared back at me, unable to help. They take over every square inch and spend the day. To plan your hike refer to All Activities - Hiking below. The situation in 2021 was a disgrace. . Saturday, May 6, 2023 09:00 AM - 12:00 PM. There is no rope blocking the steps down to the falls, but there are signs up saying they are closed. Overcast and sprinkling. We drove here on a beautiful but cold day, continuing our COVID Thursday Excursions to see natural beauty in CT,MA, NY area. Hooray! Please PLEASE if you go here obey ALL SIGNS. Patrick Miller September 26, 2022 Hiking Beautiful. This number is based on the percentage of all Tripadvisor reviews for this product that have a bubble rating of 4 or higher. Taconic State Park Manager Rickard told The Columbia Paper this week the purpose is to keep the falls and surrounding area strictly a place for hikingno swimming, no chairs, no cooking, no picnicking. COPAKE FALLSYou can still see it, but you cant touch it anymore. The area down by the falls are prohibited now. Want to report conditions for this trail? From the New York parking lot, the walk is an easy, flatter 1.5-mile roundtrip stroll. [7][8], As a result both the Massachusetts and New York conservation park officers increased patrolling, closed or limited use of the parking area to the falls, and even closed the park for a time. The current message on the phone for the Mount Washington State Forest, of which Bash Bish Falls State Park is a part, says, Bash Bish Falls has a new policy this year where no one is allowed down on the stairs [to the falls] or on the waters edge.. No reptiles. For more information see firewood restrictions. Copake Falls, NY 12517. Overall a nice walking trail. Ill follow suit and remove the warning above. How easy of a hike is it? No swimming or diving. Less than ten minutes into the hike, you come to a junction with the White Trail heading downhill to your left. The changes are permanent due to people leaving there trash and human waste. People travel from many places and have no respect. Use caution as the stones down around the falls are smooth and slick from years of traffic and it is easy to slip. Bash Bish Falls is operated as a Massachusetts (DCR) State Park with separate regulations. We are actually closing overflow parking lots due to the weekend overcrowding and have reduced parking. I was in admiration of his good nature and natural disposition to be of help to others. Thanks, this is very useful, as I couldnt find a trail guide at the Bash Bish Falls State Park site. He was also the first tightrope walker to make it across Niagara Falls. Park police from New York State and park rangers from Massachusetts joined in an effort to increase patrols, according to the story. Sounds like a more straightforward journey now you can skip to Step 7 below, since Steps 5 and 6 are now obsolete. A parks official in Copake told The Edge that the lot at the trailhead to Bash Bish remains open. It is not paved but flat with just a few places that are a little rough. One thing I am sure about is the Town of Mount Washington, Massachusetts takes care of it's visitors by having a great man out on the roads taking care of fools like me who get in trouble. From the MA trail head, it is a rather steep stairway down to the bottom of the falls. [3], Although Bash Bish Falls are located in Mt. You can only walk to the view at top of the trail above the falls now, as noted by many others, some of those rudely from a. Classist POV or simply containing an opinion not based on fact. Where you park determines your hike to the falls. Remembersafety first. I forgot my spikes in the car but didn't really need them. Great photo ops at the falls. Once you reach the falls, you can walk down the stairs (which are steep and awkward) to get close, however, you do not have to walk down the stairs to see the falls. The twin falls cascade into a serene pool. Ive been coming to the falls for over 50 years. A story about the situation that appeared in the August 27, 2020 issue of The Columbia Paper, reported that officials received complaints from Copake Falls residents because when park visitors could no longer find a parking spot in a parking lot, they parked along State Route 344 and secondary roads on property that belonged to residents. Google it. You will feel the gentle spray of mist from the falls if you are close enough. Background you can feel free to skip: Dude, youre supposed to be at the Bash Bish parking lot. Very easy and quick trail coming from NY Parking lot. While Massachusetts officials have placed orange and white barricades at the top of the stairway that leads down to the falls and have posted patrols there to enforce the rules, the adjoining Taconic State Park in New York is mirroring its neighbors efforts and has law enforcement personnel patrolling along the brook, Mr. Rickard said. Mount Washington Visitors to Bash Bish Falls, a popular state park that has seen large unruly crowds in the last several weeks, will have to find some other place to park if they want to access the falls from the Massachusetts side. But the fact is that he did Bash Bish first, said Blue. Stop at the newly created Copake Iron Works Museum to learn about the iron industry at the former site of Copake Iron Works, established in 1845. With no signage indicating which way to the falls, we guessed that we should stay on the Blue Trail (as did some other hikers there that day), and we were all wrong. If youd like to descend and then climb back up a hill on your way to the falls, see the write-up below for the walk from the MA trailhead. Moderate ability, about 1.5 miles round-trip. Jeff was coming from Massachusetts, I was coming from New York, and we were going to meet at Bash Bish Falls on the state line before tackling nearby Mt. I saw your picture and it looks doable. GPS coordinates of MA parking area: 42.115, -73.49157 (Clicking will open in Google Maps or the Apple Maps app, depending on your browser/device. A minor bummer, but not a showstopper. Would highly recommend. We ask all visitors to only use designated trails and areas open to the public. Thanks for this write up. This year's projects include cleaning up our beautiful kiddy pool, spreading mulch in our playground, cleaning out flower beds around the park and sweeping off the camping platforms! below to park at the appropriate location for your hike. MOUNT WASHINGTON, Mass. Is parking on the Mass side going to be an issue if there are 10-15 cars? This was a great, easy trek to test some cold weather gear. Nice little double waterfall at the end. For more information visit http://www.friendsoftsp.org. I usually climb Camel Back Mountain in Arizona, but wanted to do something different. With the snow and ice, the walk down to the falls from the MA side was just to treacherous to walk for us. We arrived and parked at the NY side of the park. Bash Bish Falls can be accessed from Copake in Columbia County or Massachusetts, with the actual Falls being located just over the New York border in Berkshire County. This is a lovely area but it is not a trash dump nor a place for doing whatever you want. Download a trail map Recommended hikes Visit Massachusetts State Parks. Trails and rocks may be slippery, wear sturdy shoes. 9. With a fully-equipped canvas wall tent all set up and ready for you, it really is a better way to camp. Theres a warning sign not to enter as the stone steps going down to the falls ledge are icy/slippery. There are rules that help to keep it safe and pristine for all but particularly nature. Deer and Bear archery season (early bow): 10/1 to 11/20. A list of entry fees and other park use fees is available below. Coordinates: .mw-parser-output .geo-default,.mw-parser-output .geo-dms,.mw-parser-output .geo-dec{display:inline}.mw-parser-output .geo-nondefault,.mw-parser-output .geo-multi-punct{display:none}.mw-parser-output .longitude,.mw-parser-output .latitude{white-space:nowrap}42647N 732943W / 42.11306N 73.49528W / 42.11306; -73.49528, Bash Bish Falls, a waterfall in Bash Bish Falls State Park in the Taconic Mountains of southwestern Massachusetts (Berkshire County), is the highest waterfall in the state. [11], In addition to the falls themselves, other recreation attractions in the immediate area include Taconic State Park (camping, cabin rentals, fishing, swimming, hiking, cross country skiing, and hunting),[12] a network of hiking trails including the South Taconic Trail (day hiking and overnight hiking),[13] and the Hudson Valley Rail Trail (walking, bicycling).[14]. Location & Hours. Most of the time I swim in the lower pool, below the main pool, the water is always cold and invigorating. Excellent Trail thoroughly marked! Funny. I don't know what "playing in the water" means to you. Trails and rocks may be slippery, wear sturdy shoes. This was a nice way to get some exercise and enjoy nature. The only time Ive ever seen anyone slip was in the winter when the steps were icy. We didn't try to park on the MA side of the falls, instead choosing to drive to the NY side and walk the 3/4 mile trail to/from the falls. Bash Bish Falls is located in Bash Bish Falls State Park. What attractions are near Bash Bish Falls? No access to the upper gorge from the Massachusetts parking lot it is dangerous. to me and many locals, its very special to us for its sheer beauty and majestic presence. Is the NY trail relatively flat and WheelChair friendly? Turkey, archery and shotgun: Fall season: 10/17 to 11/1 Spring season: 5/1 to 5/31. I just put an update into Step 5 above, linking down to your comment (also put a small update into Step 9). There were reports of injuries, with one person taken to Fairview Hospital. After taking in the view, head back down to the parking lot. . MA. Some were due to drowning, but most were due to rock climbing, rock jumping, and falls. From the lower parking area (the New York side of the state border), there is a .75 mile gentle uphill trail to the falls. (NEWS10) The Bash Bish Falls access point in Berkshire County is closed for the next few months. What great friendly man with an infectious smile and awesome aura about him. Suggest edits to improve what we show. The dramatic final pitch of Bash Bish Brook drops about 80 feet into an emerald plunge pool. (And heres a quick primer on Leave No Trace, too, to help us keep the trails nice and fresh for each other.). No rock climbing. Just head uphill for a couple of minutes and youll get to the end of the trail, corralled on all sides by the guide wires. There wasn't anybody else out today except for this one hardy young couple - we kept our distance, covid you know. Your email address will not be published. Very crowded trail unfortunately but gorgeous none the less. No trash canscarry-in, carry-out all trash and personal items. Anyone carrying a cooler or wearing a bathing suit is being redirected to the Ore Pit and kiddie pool swimming areas in the Taconic State Park, where picnic areas are also available. Useful 2. [2], Bash Bish Falls has been a popular destination for visitors to the region since the 1800s, when a Swiss-style chalet was perched atop the falls. Washington, theyve been having issues with people partying and leaving trash at the Falls. I am interested in coming up for a weekend with my family. Awareness and common sense go a long way to keep people safe while hiking but sadly common sense is like deodorant and those who need it the most dont use it. There are very clean(when we went) porta potties by the waterfall. According to the Massachusetts Department of Conservation and Recreation, the access point is closed from Memorial Day to Columbus Day every year since July 2020. Mt. Learn more about our Admission Programs including the Empire Pass. I have seen sheer stupidity of people swimming, and people climbing onto high rocks they shouldnt be on and jumping, but Ive never seen anything else that would put anyone in danger. I would not have noticed the overlook if you hadnt mentioned it. This page is not available in other languages. Its a steady incline, not steep, but certainly a slight uphill all the way. Then there were stairs down lower. Recent pic, as others have commented, nice having it private. Access is open all the way down to the falls. Add photo. This is a short hike in and out area. Bash Bish Falls doesn't look spooky or specter-infested. Bash Bish Falls, Mount Washington: Address, Phone Number, Bash Bish Falls Reviews: 4.5/5. Over the weekend, Massachusetts State Police patrolled the park. An official website of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, This page, Bash Bish Falls State Park, is. There have been several deaths at this falls. A destination like this deserves to draw a crowd. Perhaps it would all depend on our definition of unsafe, as there are quite a few rocks and cliffs here to fall from, beyond the falls themselves. can we manage to do the steeper one? No swimming, wading or picnicking will be allowed in MA or NY sides of Bash Bish Creek.. I ended up picking up a cool bash bish t-shirt.gotta support the little shops! The trailer sites allow trailers up to 30 feet in length, but do not offer hook up facilities. [4] Additionally, from the Massachusetts parking lot, a short trail leads up to a viewpoint from which one can se all the way across the Hudson Valley to the Catskill Mountains. Thank you! Ive seen recent pictures and updates that the MA trailhead is open again, and that the barricades have been removed. These steps are often compact, practical and easy to move. The waterfall was mostly frozen but had a few ice windows where the water could be seen cascading down. They change diapers and just throw them in the stream. Parking is also available at Taconic State Park, off NY Route 344 in Copake Falls, NY. Note: Columbia County allows rifles - Dutchess County is shotgun only (Rudd Pond). The article seems to suggest we have a lot of parking in NY. Speaking of wellness: I got some great exercise hiking and saw an amazing waterfall yesterday after my visit to Great Barrington. Bash Bish Falls. I agree with Chuck no need to tackle the steeper one if youre at all worried. Pass some more burbles as the sound of the falls becomes louder. Planning on doing this hike next week, concerned about hunters. An incredible reward after the somewhat tough little hike (at least for a 60 year OLD man). Admission is free. A popular spot for visitors, this scenic and dramatic 60-foot waterfall is located in Mount Washington State Forest. Easy trail, any age and ability I feel could handle if in generally good condition. Other than that, great day! The upper trail down to the falls involves a steep stairway that is roughly the equivalent of a three story building. Please remove any contact information or personal data from your feedback. MT. It looks like you can only visit the base of Bash Bish after Columbus Day. So sad to hear about the trash. Pets are not permitted in playgrounds, buildings, golf courses, boardwalks, pools and spray-grounds or guarded beaches (this does not apply to service animals). One visitor writing on Facebook and describing the scene as Hordes of people breaking every single rule, said he saw picnic tables, loud music, alcohol and marijuana. Last edited on 25 September 2022, at 11:12, Massachusetts Department of Conservation and Recreation, List of old growth forests in Massachusetts, "Bash Bish Falls State Park, Mt. Id have to disagree. Please limit your input to 500 characters. Nice spot. The water feeding the C Clark Art Institute Even if you're not an avid art lover, don't miss this gem, set on 140 gorgeous acres of expansive lawns, flower-filled meadows and rolling hills. were planning to do the hike with our 1 year old (with a hiking baby carrier). Great trail along the stream.There are "No Swimming" signs posted. [10] This is a very dangerous area as rocks are slick, the gorge is deep, and pools are shallow. Hi Tracy! Bash Bish Falls is a natural area with inherent dangers. Follow the blue blazes downhill, over a cool little bridge that spans a burbling creek. Notify me of follow-up comments via e-mail. Ive been going here since I was a child. what trail should we take? I dont recall of a death here ever, whereas there have been numerous deaths at Kaaterskill. Explore this 1.5-mile out-and-back trail near Copake Falls, New York. Theres rocks and lots of uneven terrain. You can find more details in this Berkshire Eagle article:State blocks swimming access at Bash Bish Falls in Mt Washington. You feel nestled in a cozy rock out cove and its quite beautiful there. This number is based on the percentage of all Tripadvisor reviews for this product that have a bubble rating of 4 or higher. Pretty amazing to see a mostly completely frozen over waterfall. Copyright 2023 Nexstar Media Inc. All rights reserved. Remember. Hiking is required to get to the falls. Beautiful fall day. Swimming is not allowed in the pool. If youd prefer to do a flatter, slightly longer stroll (1.5 miles instead of 1.0, roundtrip), all you really need is the trailhead for the New York lot (which you can find using the Bash Bish Falls (NY trailhead) entry on the HiketheHudsonValley.com Google map), and its a piece of cake from there. Where you park determines your hike to the falls. (Then you can volunteer, donate, or shop, depending on your mood.). My wife and I drove from a local mountain top hike to Bash Bish Falls - via Taconic State Park. 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