In each case, I got a totally different answer, except for one single round of ammunition, and that was the tried and true 300 Win Mag, of which I own several rifles and totally agree. My entry level experience with leupold was with the 3-9-50 rifleman hated it got rid of it had to have turrets I could hear and feel got 3-9-50 leupold freedom a little better with turrets that work I would never have another rifleman my feelings on them is ther a post opinion if turrets done make a sound ther worn out how then do uno wen they are worn out, If the Bushnell 3-9 x 40 (or 50?) This rebated rim may raise some issues with reliability feeding. Funny how the 6.5 Creedmoor is in there over the 260 Remington while the Rem goes 100-150fps faster on a bad day. Design [ edit] It is a beltless, rebated rim cartridge based on the .300 Remington Ultra Magnum [1] case shortened .090" and necked-up to accept a .338-inch (.338 caliber) bullet. It is one of the most powerful cartridges available today, and it is often used for long-range shooting. The deviation of the bullet can be measured by a tool named concentricity gauge. Because the 6.5 Creedmoor will stay with and exceed a pile of cartridges, not break the household bank account, and is quickly growing in terms of cartridge brand options and bullet types. is a very good scope especially for the $ under Have not pushed it yet, but see the Creedmoor as a round easy to develop with all the choices for it. Thus, while the former ones are more convenient to carry on large-scale mountains and also give additional space to the preppers, the large weights of the latter ensure minimal wind deflection and a straighter trajectory. Here are some factors to consider when comparing the 300 RUM and 338 Lapua: There are several factors to consider regarding shape and size. The other stuff is a pain. The accuracy of a bullet is determined by several factors, including its velocity, recoil, trajectory, and propellant. 338 Norma. I have not done bench competition with mine yet but I have hunted Montana mule deer with it for the last two years. One that was overlooked is the 300 Rem Ultra Mag. Some of the data that are collected include the number of visitors, their source, and the pages they visit anonymously. For Georgia: What do you suggest for a combo hunting-long range target scope for $1,000 or so. why list the 338 lapula my 338-378 weatherby out performs it in fps and energy ? For hunting, I think its tough to beat Nikons BDC reticle scopes. The 300 NM neck diameter is 0.342 inches, while the 338 Lapua is 0.372 inches. However, due to its higher recoil, it is usually not preferred for hunting swift animals. Factory .338 RUM loads push 250-grain bullets at 2850 fps, or so, and mega-slippery 300 grainers at 2600. Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. I did one time run into his son at Quantico, back when I was shooting rifle competition there, as a civilian competitor. This cookie is used to keep track on user informations and reports it to Alexa analytics service. Does not like Remington ammo. Cartridges withhigh muzzle velocityand a high ballistic coefficient tend to have better ballistic performance. As a long range big game round or hard steel target cartridge this is a top contender, to say the least. In terms of ranging ability, the massive bullet will stay awake (above the speed of sound ) and clear out to 2,500 yards before someone puts a pillow under its head. Nikona warranty repairs are complex. My next step is to get more educated on this round and start loading for long range prairie rats. That is Leupolds entry level scope series. Thanks and am taking a hard look at Burris scopes. The 408 Chey-Tac sends a 419-grain solid copper ultra-high BC bullet downrange at 2900 f.p.s., or a somewhat lightweight pill being 305 grains at a blistering big bore 3450 f.p.s. I am sure you like your little gun.Everyone has their own opinions.They are just like assholes,everyone has one. You already have the 260rem that will probably out do it.They are almost identical. Sightron SIII scopes are great. I bought one and have been reloading it since 1976. My friend said as one who had other Marine duties being a DI in SD he couldnt practice all that much and the offhand score was what kept him from getting toRead more , How can you put the 6.5 Creedmoor over a 7 mm Magnum thats just dumb a 7 mm Magnum will out shoot a 6.5 Creedmoor any day of the week. Best cartridge, ever! Ahhh!?!? In just handloaded bullets, Berger has now built a new 130 grain VLD that will drill prairie rats to 800 yards all day long. If I could only have two rifles, one would be a .22lr and the other would be a 30-06 or a .308. Mag. From grain weight options, price point per round, practical applications, and performance at long range, this cartridge is just about the best of the very best as a long distance shooting choice. Its bullets penetrate more (about 2-3 inches) and expand rapidly, causing heavier damage. The muzzle energy of a firearm is the amount of kinetic energy transferred from the bullet to the target at the moment it is fired. According to Wikipedia and Winchester Guns, Carlos Hathcock used a Winchester M70 in 30-06. , 180 gr. YouTube - Store data on what videos from YouTube the user has seen. Its a good cartridge but so are the others. The RUM has a higher velocity and a flatter trajectory than the Lapua. I just like the 25 myself.Just me. Nosler currently offers three grades of factory loads for it: Match Grade (a 300-grain bullet at 2,550 fps), Trophy Grade (a 225-grain AccuBond at 3,025 fps), and a Trophy Grade Long Range (a 265-grain AccuBond at 2,775 fps). Since both cartridges are for long-range shooting, their accuracy holds much significance. And one of the best books ever on sniping is by White Feather AKA Marine Sgt Carlos Hathcock 93 CONFIRMED KILLS . It will feed from a standard magnum action with high BC bullets and give you almost identical performance as the 338 Lapua Mag. The cookie is set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin and is used to store whether or not user has consented to the use of cookies. The maximum energy that a Lapua can generate is 6696 J (by using a 300 gr bullet). @Georgiaoutlaw. The bullet will not do any damage near the target. A bullet with a higher muzzle velocity will likely have a flatter trajectory with minimal deflection. For prairie dog hunting the .50 Browning round fired just under their noses causes enough vacuum to suck their lungs empty for a few seconds so they collapse from lack of oxygen. Nope upon closer examination it was hitting the same hole. Our planet loves the .264 boolits. YSC cookie is set by Youtube and is used to track the views of embedded videos on Youtube pages. Good article. If you think you are going to be in a shootout with terrorists types a good semi-auto AR 15 whatever. The cookie stores information anonymously and assigns a randomly generated number to recognize unique visitors. Alexa analytics service - keep track on user informations. Best .338 Lapua Magnum Suppressor: Banish 338. Can be used with large volume cartridges such as 6.5284, .284 NORMA, 300 WIN MAG, 300 RUM, .338 LAPUA magnum, and .30-378 WEATHERBY magnum with heavy bullet weights. It can run faster but it is so accurate at that velocity it's not worth pushing it 75fps faster. For many years he hunts regularly. shooting at Cherry Point. Not that the Weatherby isnt, Weatherbys, Ive owned five over the years, are generally very accurate. Despite a heavy recoil, its heavy bullet incurring minimal wind deflection coupled with the fact that it retains its energy better maintains the consistency even in extreme weather conditions. Wheres your spirit! My out of the ordinary 325wsm rifles do pretty good way out there. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. It is a 6mm bullet in a necked down 6.5cm (Creedmoor, not centimeter) care. I have a great savage 6.5CM and it is a Tac driver. What a tack driver. Youre right to some extent, however, the 338 Lapua, 6.5 Creedmoor and the .300 Winchester Magnum have all been adopted by either the U.S. Army, or the U.S. Marine Corps and various Spec-ops groups as sniping rounds at this time, supplanting the 7.62 X 51 NATO or augmenting it. If so, when plugging numbers into Shooter for the .338 lapua magnum (300 otm Berger at 2750 feet/sec) and the above mentioned PRC load, Shooter tells me the PRC goes subsonic at 2150 while the Lap Mag goes subsonic at 2100.energy is 859 lbs for the Lapua while the PRC load has 651 lbs. This causes many a fevered dream for long-range hunters. Therefore they have a substantial weight. It gives it an edge on the RUM in hunting down larger animals. Additionally, the 338 Lapua has a larger bullet diameter, which makes it more effective for taking down large game animals. Ive been able to produce reloads of this cartridge to shoot in my Remington Model 700 Long Range Rifle that can achieve great results in bullet weights from 150 gr., 165 gr. Its been used in precision rifle competitions and has even seen action in military and law enforcement applications. For the 300 grains pure copper ones, you are correct, unless I shoot at high altitude they will not stabilize. The 50 BMG: This round is massive, with a bullet diameter of .50 inches (12.700 mm). there is a lot of choices for the 224 but need to do a lot of research before picking out the one to get. Grizman There are many in the long range field way past Book recommendations. Will definitely check out Shepard Salvo scopes. The .338 Lapua typically outperforms the .300 RUM in muzzle energy due to its heavier bullets. RE: JUST SHOOTING AT Targets long range. People probably chase the 338 Lapua instead of similar, existing cartridges for the same reasons they ignore the Remington 260, Lapua 6.547, or 6.555 Swedish Mauser in favor of the 6.5 Creedmoor. A bullet with a higher muzzle velocity is also expected of a flatter trajectory with minimum deflection or deviation. However, the actual range will vary depending on the ammunition and rifle used. From the table above, we can see that for medium-weight bullets as per the respective ranges in both the cases, that of Rum has a flatter trajectory, which can be attributed to the higher muzzle velocity. The 300 Norma has a case length of 2.492", and the 338 Lapua comes in at 2.724". Success breeds success. 6.5 CM awesome sheep gun Equipment and components are available in Creedmoor that were never available in my preferred 260, and I know the market is too small for multiple standards. I started shooting for fun after I got out of the Army in 1972. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". I have this Lapua rifle for hunting and depending on where I am, I useRead more . Nevertheless, I thought it was a good saying or joke. However, the 338 Lapua stood out due to its: The 300 RUM has a maximum effective range of around 1000 yards for hunting and 1500 for long-range shooting. 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