Taking the bbl off is the first thing I did - there are no markings on the underside anywhere. Uberti cartridge rifles embody the look and feel of the Old West. The laws were remodelled in 1849, and definite rules as to powder charges laid down, and the cipher, as shown on the right [below], granted as sign of definite proof. and an eagles head. 0000013906 00000 n 0000010816 00000 n AN ITALIAN .44 BLACK POWDER REVOLVER SERIAL NUMBER D50212. Serial Number: 12150. 0000002445 00000 n Next is the mark which has "PN" - the Gardone & Brescia 1st Black Powder Proof mark used since 1959. 0000006039 00000 n 1945 = 1. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. 0000042008 00000 n 0000096658 00000 n Predictably, speed jumped from around 750 fps to well above 900 fps. 0000014575 00000 n Junior Member . Originally evolved by the armourers themselves, the system of proof was in nearly every arms-producing country taken over by the Municipality or the State, who imposed a series of stringent by-laws and penalties on any who sought to evade the prescribed tests. We have provided you 0000010518 00000 n 136 0 obj <> endobj Ridgecrest, PRoC (Peoples Republic of California). date, serial number and property marks as well as various acceptance and Thanks for finding it for me. 0000002052 00000 n Register today and take advantage of membership benefits. "Arsenal" or "Inspector Marks". 5% DISCOUNT ON ORDERS OVER 5000 ROUNDS!!! Italian Date Codes. 1948 = 4. Quick View Add to Cart . Register today and take advantage of membership benefits. xref trailer New rule called for marking of gauge along with shell length for smoothbore barrels. 0000000016 00000 n H|TMs0+Vcv~$C4=[Yb$9?dowy3YY^TO~&nV;r6gReI LiFZj2C&-zR` NRA Museums: PROOF MARKS - Comparing the proof marks on your gun to this chart may help you determine where and when your gun was made, including guns where no other markings are evident. 0000105108 00000 n 0000014945 00000 n Also has pn with shield on cylinder. By 148 75 Weekly . 0000001156 00000 n manufactured firearms, such as pistols from Spain and Italy, will list a The barrel pictured is a perfect example as it bears all of the Italian proof marks described. 0000008549 00000 n left to right (upside down) are the test house and black powder proof house stampings, followed by a boxed BM, denoting a manufacturing date of 1999, then the gun's serial number, a dp oval manufacturer's mark, as well as the PEDERSOLI name, pistol caliber and notification that the gun is for black powder only. "Proofs" as they are sometimes referred to have changed over Anyone have the latest date codes? EMF's Great Western II single action revolvers and Hartford model percussion pistols are manufactured by F.A.P F.LLI. 1946 = 2. The drawings vary in style due to differences in the original information.Most are black silhouettes, but some of those that have been produced from photographs have a quasi 3 dimensional appearance that requires the onlooker . 0000078152 00000 n 0000057470 00000 n xref Copyright 2017 and beyond. Proof Marks or "Proofs" as they are sometimes referred to have changed over time, therefore assisting in dating the arm. 0000124308 00000 n View Models. I know that this info has been posted before, but I appreciate your posting it again. The well known manufacturers did not want their name and reputation on a cheaper firearm, so these were sub-contracted out. 1810 - 1853. 0000080318 00000 n 0000027918 00000 n The "PN" are the initials for "polere nera" or black powder. Pietta 1858 Remington Buffalo Black Powder Revolver - .44 Caliber 12" Barrel Brass Frame w/ Blued Barrel - RGC44. 0000102139 00000 n 0000080589 00000 n Recalling that I'd typically shot 30 grains through my Italian 1860 Army, I velocity-tested the Colt with 19 grains, 25 grains, and 30 grains. As for value comes with box and back powder flask. 0000004339 00000 n 0000038657 00000 n conformity of German Proof Law of 1891. 0000037090 00000 n Does anyone know where I could find the codes? 0000001338 00000 n 1: A true smoothbore rifle. Re: italian made .44 black powder revolver That's essentially a copy of a copy. Definitive proof applies to all weapons and shows that the weapon has been tested with an overcharge of propellant and missile. There are a number of Proof Marks or 0000107556 00000 n this location now so you can return often. All rights reserved. :hmm: Thanks for the help. 0000002668 00000 n Large quantity of surplus guns and exotic guns, 155MM HE 107 Full Zone 8 Charge with Electronic Fuze, BA 312 Semi-Auto Magazine Tube Tactical Shotgun, BA 912 Bullpup Mag-Fed Semi-Auto (2 Different Mold). barrel began as a means to insure its safety and integrity. This mark appears with the standard marks and standard load marks for the caliber. 0000008989 00000 n 0000016749 00000 n We have just started to assemble this on going source of Proof http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showforum.php?fid/131, https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/modern-replica-dating-by-proof-marks.49482/, Pietta Full Fluted Cylinder 1858 NMA Pistol Question. 0000004861 00000 n 0000010034 00000 n SKU: FR185117. Quick View Add to Cart . 0000115678 00000 n The most visible change is the change from a crown to a star 1950 so crown and PSF is from the time between 1923 and 1950. From left to right (upside down) are the test house and black powder proof house stampings, followed by a boxed BM, denoting a . They went from BU to BZ 2004-05. %PDF-1.4 % Some proof marks on side of frame and the roman numeral XX. Information, NRA Join Date: August 15, 2012. 0000001896 00000 n 0000009527 00000 n xb``b``` @16 l-,8sh-[1%3*.\ M=S!b6B>&X=ME#e*U3\'VC~Aa1 &w"2))vttgh \4 Tb@Rj hd`@ )fc``T v`#l> ^1?Y,Zi;?I+OT)po=|:U:EK{ mg`r#w /r] endstream endobj 43 0 obj <> endobj 44 0 obj <>stream 0000077398 00000 n For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 0000051690 00000 n Mf+wwJcC] }oUA!o=}OWWAn7 Good info. Last edited: Feb 17, 2018. The flag is your country of origin and is that the Swiss flag? Dashing Leper 36 Cl. Underneath the whole appears the word St. Etienne. Serial Numbers. 1947 = 3. Anyways, the modern stampings are needed to produce a legal firearm in Italy (black powder p [roof testing and overall firearm inspection proof for example) and to allow it to be exported/imported into the USA by a number of importers/vendors under mass or individual contracts. Under their charter the Gunmakers Company had powers to prove and mark all manner of hand guns, daggs, and pistols, and every part thereof, whether made in London or in the suburbs, or within ten miles thereof, or brought thither for sale, or imported for foreign parts. 0000001474 00000 n God Bless the USA! Make: Pietta. Usually, these replicas are made by companies such as Uberti or Pietta, but smaller, lesser known Italian companies often make these as well. In addition to The second is the crossed branches, with the letters A.E. acknowledge the testing - called "Proof Marks". 0000088591 00000 n 0 This type of proof is designed to prevent the manufacturer from continuing work on barrel blanks which may have hidden defects. During the heyday of the reproductions, there was a great deal more sharing of parts among the Italian manufacturers than was ever suspected. Price: $525.00. The lower right face of the octagonal barrel says, "A.S.M. 0000049974 00000 n It has on with a star above it and a shield with a star above it. The previous owner kept it in a display in his gun room. xb``e``yhXa`+(y-[6zX8-dRRh i9W@Zu"vl=d*b5,JqXx ,8Pl}C;a>aN )10Zx'@ R3 0000147394 00000 n <<619EF975DD20A74ABA8163A7762AED27>]>> Uberti cartridge revolvers are true replicas of original historical designs. The viewers mark was a capital V, also surmounted with a crown. 0000003452 00000 n Pietta. (1977 and 1979) Now, if I had only had the presence of mind to write down that info when I finished the .36 cal brass framed pistol kit. 0000001770 00000 n It may not display this or other websites correctly. xref 0000009076 00000 n Specifications: Manufacturer -- Fusav di Bini & Baronio (Italy) Date Code -- "AD" = 1978 date of manufacture Barrel Markings: Left side -- 36 Cal. 36 Made in Italy". Post request for quotation and get multiple offers from manufacturers. December 20, 2013 in SASS Wire, Here are the codes for knowing when your Italian-manufactured firearm was made (proof date), This is from an Italian shotgun Website: shotguns.se/html/italy.htm, http://www.dakotaskipper.net/ebay/Italian_Proof_Date_Codes_1945_-_2030.pdf. 0000080946 00000 n The hammer also wont engage the safety notches (too wide). Italian Proofmarks & Dates of Manufacture 1945 - 2030 By Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 December 20, 2013 in SASS Wire Start new topic Posted December 20, 2013 Here are the codes for knowing when your Italian-manufactured firearm was made (proof date) This is from an Italian shotgun Website: shotguns.se/html/italy.htm Uberti's extensive line of traditional guns has established a long history of reliability. List of 294 Italian gun makers, Italy suppliers and sellers and distributors Home > Companies Gun & weapons dealers from Italy category Firearms/ Small arms 47 Ammunition 3 Ammunition Components/Reloading 1 Shooting accessories/Guns storage/Training 4 Gun Care 1 Gun Parts 2 Machinery/Manufacture 1 Operational equipment/ Survival gear 3 Airguns 5 THINGS THAT GO BANG! for your continued support, encouragement and admonishment. interlaced, and surmounted by a crown. Flog?5BnS'Vz] Wd;No$wBj2O56~N)T%D-69_f)Bl[RfU[aSV. 0000064924 00000 n An additional listing showing old PN in French does indeed mean Poudre Noire, but as most BP handguns we see these days are made in Italy then it stands for Polvere Nero - Italian for black powder. Black Powder only Cal. endstream endobj 137 0 obj <> endobj 138 0 obj <>/Encoding<>>>>> endobj 139 0 obj <> endobj 140 0 obj <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB]/ExtGState<>>> endobj 141 0 obj <> endobj 142 0 obj <> endobj 143 0 obj <> endobj 144 0 obj <> endobj 145 0 obj <> endobj 146 0 obj <> endobj 147 0 obj <> endobj 148 0 obj <>stream for exports be able towithstand a proscribed load without damage. August 19, 2012, 03:46 PM #10: Fingers McGee. 0000008059 00000 n 0000111269 00000 n To establish this rule, they constructed a proof house near the City of London. 0000110238 00000 n There is a crown over V, which is a final view mark for proof. be reproduced, in part or in whole, without the written permission of '. 0000052548 00000 n 0000007642 00000 n Join Date: March 19, 2008. 0000080540 00000 n '9+ }`=swrE-OqmU>zAw$aAY@O| or E.C. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I hope it will aid those seeking information on their black powder cap & ball reproduction revolvers. Most specimen marks are of this nature, and it is no unusual thing to find the marks of two different smiths upon the same weapon, one man signing the lock work, the other being the barrel maker. Following is a chart displaying the year of proof symbols used from 1954 to 2003. 0000028135 00000 n 1989 = AU. 0000071997 00000 n According to a web site this is the Italian date code for 1977. 0000002293 00000 n ,!x#B3`Ev The PN stamp means "poudre noir" or black powder proof. 1968 = XXIV. 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Marks, Arsenal & Inspector Marks, Manufacturers Some of the better reproductions, such as those by Colt, Ruger, or Thompson Center, might tend to retail more in the $100 to $350 range. This rifle is equipped with an elevation and windage adjustable Creedmoor rear sight and spirit-level tunnel front sight with windage adjustment micrometer screw. JavaScript is disabled. determination. Starting price $549. I think it is a new Army 1858 but the Navy Arms on the top of barrel confuses me. skootchingdog 4 yr. ago It seems fitting that "XXX" happened in the 70's. Italian Gun Manufactures Proof Marks & Dates 41 2 comments Best Add a Comment csaduck 4 yr. ago Many of us have Italian guns that were not quite sure of the date of manufacture, this is a list I got a few years ago (2003) and hope it helps out. You are using an out of date browser. 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